I submitted my flight 12 hours ago and its still not showing up. There
are only 2 flight for the whole US for yesterday, so I think its not
just me.


Limus

I see a lot of US flights (at least 10) for 17 March, but most of them
have no scores, and when I tried to download one, I had to append
".igc" to the filename before I could open it in SeeYou. Never had to
do that before ...

I am looking forward with much anticipation for soaring
season to start in Colorado...no doubt for some it
already has.

I view with trepidation trying to succesfully deal
with the new improved OLC....any sage software types
willing to give us software-challenged types a brief
overview of how to suceed?

"Limus" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>I submitted my flight 12 hours ago and its still not showing up. There
> are only 2 flight for the whole US for yesterday, so I think its not
> just me.
>
>
> Limus

I have had the same problems. I've used a couple of different links and
can't seem to get it working. Also tried to upload a couple of flights
without success in the past month. There have been multiple posts re this
and there continue to be problems. I can't imagine that this bodes well for
the continued use of OLC but would also appreciate any advice others may
have as to how to make it work.

Casey Lenox
KC
Phoenix

On Mar 18, 9:20 am, Stewart Kissel
> wrote:
> I am looking forward with much anticipation for soaring
> season to start in Colorado...no doubt for some it
> already has.
>
> I view with trepidation trying to succesfully deal
> with the new improved OLC....any sage software types
> willing to give us software-challenged types a brief
> overview of how to suceed?

try this link-
http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/segelflugszene/

click on gliding
click and pull down worldwide
click on North America
click on date and pull down the correct date

yup, it's a pain but it seems to work

Dan Rihn

On Mar 18, 11:32 am, "Kilo Charlie" > wrote:
> I have had the same problems. I've used a couple of different links and
> can't seem to get it working. Also tried to upload a couple of flights
> without success in the past month.

Works fine for me.... :)

I do notice that for today, there are quite a few flights with failed
validation. Not sure if they are waiting to be validated or if there
is some problem with upload.

Anyhow, IMO, the new OLC is looking better and better each week I
check. Remember, this is free software, so we get what we pay for it
(yes, I know there are NACs and advertisers, but these cover hosting
costs, not labor). The developers can't afford to do big time
testing, so we get to "help" by documenting problems and sharing
workarounds until they're fixed.

I suggest that some of us volunteer to help the ones having troubles,
as for me "it just works" to upload a flight. Fortunately, the winter
WX here in Eastern CO has finally let up enough for the BFSS airport
to start drying out, but it's still a few weeks before the towplane is
ready due to the cold and snow making it hard for our mechanic to get
work done. So all you other USA clubs had better watch out - BFSS is
chomping at the bit!

So, if you can't upload your flight, and there is nobody local to help
you, feel free to email your IGC file to me and I'll upload it for
you.

I'll need your birthdate, name as you registered, club and glider type
(if not in the IGC file). Send it to tserkowski at my gmail address.

-Tom

"5Z" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Mar 18, 11:32 am, "Kilo Charlie" > wrote:
>> I have had the same problems. I've used a couple of different links and
>> can't seem to get it working. Also tried to upload a couple of flights
>> without success in the past month.
>
> Works fine for me.... :)

Well I'm an old guy 5Z so not sure that the problem isn't that they don't
allow dates that early. ;-)

Appreciate your offer and will keep hammering away. Its been nearly 100
degrees here already for the past few days.....that may sound good to you
all in the frozen areas of the world but its an omen here in Phoenix. TS1
is reported to have smoked around on Saturday out of El Tiro getting to 18K
for 500K.....waiting for that log to be posted.

I'm trying to master a Columbia 350 I just got with the intention of being
able to reach some nice soaring locations (Ely, Moriarty) in the same amount
of time it would take me to drive to the alternative local sites since Turf
has closed. Too bad I can't log the files from that rocket ship!

Casey Lenox
KC
Phoenix

I got notification email about 1PM PDT and then I saw results for US
were posted. Only 18 hour delay.

Limus

I uploaded a flight directly through OLC web page last
(Sunday, March 18th) night. This was for USA, Region
5. It was quick. It was easy. It was also the first
flight I've had to load since OLC changed their format
last Fall. It is MUCH easier than it used to be, since
you don't have to find your start and stop times and
pick where you started from.

Ray Lovinggood



At 02:24 19 March 2007, Limus wrote:
>I got notification email about 1PM PDT and then I saw
>results for US
>were posted. Only 18 hour delay.
>
>Limus
>
>

I posted my flight on Sunday evening using See You's saved olc file
feature and my flight appeared within 5 seconds.

Nice to get over 12,000 feet in March!

Mike

On Mar 19, 8:24 am, "Mike the Strike" > wrote:
> I posted my flight on Sunday evening using See You's saved olc file
> feature and my flight appeared within 5 seconds.
>
> Nice to get over 12,000 feet in March!
>
> Mike

Mike,
What version of SeeYou did you use?

Dan Rihn

On Mar 19, 10:48 am, "Dan" > wrote:
> On Mar 19, 8:24 am, "Mike the Strike" > wrote:
>
> > I posted my flight on Sunday evening using See You's saved olc file
> > feature and my flight appeared within 5 seconds.
>
> > Nice to get over 12,000 feet in March!
>
> > Mike
>
> Mike,
> What version of SeeYou did you use?
>

See You Version 3.5

> Dan Rihn

On Mar 19, 11:21 am, "Mike the Strike" > wrote:
> On Mar 19, 10:48 am, "Dan" > wrote:
>
> > On Mar 19, 8:24 am, "Mike the Strike" > wrote:
>
> > > I posted my flight on Sunday evening using See You's saved olc file
> > > feature and my flight appeared within 5 seconds.
>
> > > Nice to get over 12,000 feet in March!
>
> > > Mike
>
> > Mike,
> > What version of SeeYou did you use?
>
> See You Version 3.5
>
>
>
> > Dan Rihn- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I use version 3.4 but I haven't tried uploading to OLC with it this
year. I don't think it will work with the new version of OLC. I
haven't felt the need to upgrade from 3.4, uploading directly to OLC
seems to work great.
Dan Rihn

On Mar 19, 5:59 pm, "Dan" > wrote:
> On Mar 19, 11:21 am, "Mike the Strike" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 19, 10:48 am, "Dan" > wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 19, 8:24 am, "Mike the Strike" > wrote:
>
> > > > I posted my flight on Sunday evening using See You's saved olc file
> > > > feature and my flight appeared within 5 seconds.
>
> > > > Nice to get over 12,000 feet in March!
>
> > > > Mike
>
> > > Mike,
> > > What version of SeeYou did you use?
>
> > See You Version 3.5
>
> > > Dan Rihn- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I use version 3.4 but I haven't tried uploading to OLC with it this
> year. I don't think it will work with the new version of OLC. I
> haven't felt the need to upgrade from 3.4, uploading directly to OLC
> seems to work great.
> Dan Rihn- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

You should always use the latest version of your software. As problems
are discovered, the vendors make updates, and there is no sense having
problems that are already solved. SeeYou is also testing a beta
version to deal with a strange data transmission issue with the new
OLC interface where "+" signs get corrupted in transmission, causing
validation to fail. This affects C302+ users, but could also randomly
affect anyone if there is a "+" sign in the digital signature.

If your software fails to work, please try direct claim as an
alternate. As noted above in this thread, it is very easy now in OLC
2.0.

You should get an email receipt for your claim with your score when
the server finishes procesing your claim. To receive this email, make
sure your email address is correct in your OLC registration, and
"white list" onlinecontest.org if you are using a spam blocker. The
email will have a link to your claim record--be sure to send this when
you request support since it lets us find your claim immediately. You
can reply to the email, or forward it to your national OLC
administrator for help. The national admin also gets a copy of
notification emails for claims that do not score to alert them to any
problems.

Finally, for those of us in the western hemishpere, we have to be a
little patient. The developers are in Europe, and are usually sleeping
when we are claiming. So if the OLC server has a problem during the
night, we usually have to wait until morning for them to fix it. The
OLC is an all volunteer orginization, and it is not possible to pay
"night operators" to stand by for problems. So if your claim does not
go through right away, go to bed, and check your email in the
morning.

Doug Haluza
SSA-OLC Admin

Doug Haluza wrote:

>
> You should always use the latest version of your software. As problems
> are discovered, the vendors make updates, and there is no sense having
> problems that are already solved. SeeYou is also testing a beta
> version to deal with a strange data transmission issue with the new
> OLC interface where "+" signs get corrupted in transmission, causing
> validation to fail. This affects C302+ users, but could also randomly
> affect anyone if there is a "+" sign in the digital signature.
>
> If your software fails to work, please try direct claim as an
> alternate. As noted above in this thread, it is very easy now in OLC
> 2.0.

Does that work for CAI files? If so, what is the procedure to be used
when posting such a file? Save as IGC file in SeeYou, then direct post
that? Or just direct post the CAI file? Or something else?

On Mar 18, 5:39 pm, "Dan" > wrote:

> try this link-http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/segelflugszene/
>
> click on gliding
> click and pull down worldwide
> click on North America
> click on date and pull down the correct date
>
> yup, it's a pain but it seems to work
>

Not a pain, really easy and it worked fine for me. Thanks for the
tips. Far better user interface than when I last posted to OLC early
2006.

Andy (GY)

I tried to make my first OLC claim on Sunday and Monday for my 3/17/07
flight and I must say it's been a hassle. My claim was declared
"validation not successful". I used a GPS-NAV 20. On Sunday, I
converted the .cai file to .igc using AeroExplorer. I then prepared
the claim in SeeYou. I went to the OLC site and tried to upload by
"Prepared Claim". File was not uploaded. I then tried to upload the
claim through SeeYou. No upload. On Monday, I tried the OLC site
"Direct Claim" method and the .igc file uploaded ok but it was
invalid. I then converted the .cai file to .igc using the Cambridge
DOS program. Deleted the previously uploaded file and uploaded the
new .igc file again using "Direct Claim". Still invalid. The .cai file
passed vali-cam.exe with no problem. I emailed support by replying to
the email I received from the OLC Result Notifier but have not yet
heard anything.
Steve

On Mar 20, 1:53 am, "Doug Haluza" > wrote:
> On Mar 19, 5:59 pm, "Dan" > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 19, 11:21 am, "Mike the Strike" > wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 19, 10:48 am, "Dan" > wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 19, 8:24 am, "Mike the Strike" > wrote:
>
> > > > > I posted my flight on Sunday evening using See You's saved olc file
> > > > > feature and my flight appeared within 5 seconds.
>
> > > > > Nice to get over 12,000 feet in March!
>
> > > > > Mike
>
> > > > Mike,
> > > > What version of SeeYou did you use?
>
> > > See You Version 3.5
>
> > > > Dan Rihn- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > I use version 3.4 but I haven't tried uploading to OLC with it this
> > year. I don't think it will work with the new version of OLC. I
> > haven't felt the need to upgrade from 3.4, uploading directly to OLC
> > seems to work great.
> > Dan Rihn- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> You should always use the latest version of your software. As problems
> are discovered, the vendors make updates, and there is no sense having
> problems that are already solved. SeeYou is also testing a beta
> version to deal with a strange data transmission issue with the new
> OLC interface where "+" signs get corrupted in transmission, causing
> validation to fail. This affects C302+ users, but could also randomly
> affect anyone if there is a "+" sign in the digital signature.
>
> If your software fails to work, please try direct claim as an
> alternate. As noted above in this thread, it is very easy now in OLC
> 2.0.
>
> You should get an email receipt for your claim with your score when
> the server finishes procesing your claim. To receive this email, make
> sure your email address is correct in your OLC registration, and
> "white list" onlinecontest.org if you are using a spam blocker. The
> email will have a link to your claim record--be sure to send this when
> you request support since it lets us find your claim immediately. You
> can reply to the email, or forward it to your national OLC
> administrator for help. The national admin also gets a copy of
> notification emails for claims that do not score to alert them to any
> problems.
>
> Finally, for those of us in the western hemishpere, we have to be a
> little patient. The developers are in Europe, and are usually sleeping
> when we are claiming. So if the OLC server has a problem during the
> night, we usually have to wait until morning for them to fix it. The
> OLC is an all volunteer orginization, and it is not possible to pay
> "night operators" to stand by for problems. So if your claim does not
> go through right away, go to bed, and check your email in the
> morning.
>
> Doug Haluza
> SSA-OLC Admin

I was uploading files for several people this weekend. The igc files were
from a Volkslogger. I was unsuccessful in submitting the claim directly
thru SeeYou v3.7. I was successful in having SeeYou prepare the claim file
and then uploading it. The first time I tried a couple of them, I got some
long error list screen. I waited a short while and was able to upload
exactly the same file successfully.

John Scott

wrote:
> I tried to make my first OLC claim on Sunday and Monday for my 3/17/07
> flight and I must say it's been a hassle. My claim was declared
> "validation not successful". I used a GPS-NAV 20. On Sunday, I
> converted the .cai file to .igc using AeroExplorer. I then prepared
> the claim in SeeYou. I went to the OLC site and tried to upload by
> "Prepared Claim". File was not uploaded. I then tried to upload the
> claim through SeeYou. No upload. On Monday, I tried the OLC site
> "Direct Claim" method and the .igc file uploaded ok but it was
> invalid. I then converted the .cai file to .igc using the Cambridge
> DOS program. Deleted the previously uploaded file and uploaded the
> new .igc file again using "Direct Claim". Still invalid. The .cai file
> passed vali-cam.exe with no problem. I emailed support by replying to
> the email I received from the OLC Result Notifier but have not yet
> heard anything.
> Steve
>
The OLC requires some special handling for logs from legacy Cambridge
flight recorders (Model 10, 20, and 25). SeeYou (v3.6 or higher) does
that quite easily if you open the *.cai file directly. It will generate
the *.igc file with the *.cai file encoded and appended onto the end.
The prepared claim should definitely work, not sure if the bugs are out
of the direct claim from SeeYou method yet. But you must open the *.cai
file with SeeYou, not an *.igc file generated by AeroExplorer or the
Cambridge DOS program. The details for doing this manually without
SeeYou are found in item 10 on the Help page (Help button is at bottom
right of OLC page).

This is the same process for OLC 2.0 as last year.

wrote:
> I tried to make my first OLC claim on Sunday and Monday for my 3/17/07
> flight and I must say it's been a hassle. My claim was declared
> "validation not successful". I used a GPS-NAV 20. On Sunday, I
> converted the .cai file to .igc using AeroExplorer. I then prepared
> the claim in SeeYou. I went to the OLC site and tried to upload by
> "Prepared Claim". File was not uploaded. I then tried to upload the
> claim through SeeYou. No upload. On Monday, I tried the OLC site
> "Direct Claim" method and the .igc file uploaded ok but it was
> invalid. I then converted the .cai file to .igc using the Cambridge
> DOS program. Deleted the previously uploaded file and uploaded the
> new .igc file again using "Direct Claim". Still invalid. The .cai file
> passed vali-cam.exe with no problem. I emailed support by replying to
> the email I received from the OLC Result Notifier but have not yet
> heard anything.
> Steve
>
The OLC requires some special handling for logs from legacy Cambridge
flight recorders (Model 10, 20, and 25). SeeYou (v3.6 or higher) does
that quite easily if you open the *.cai file directly. It will generate
the *.igc file with the *.cai file encoded and appended onto the end.
The prepared claim should definitely work, not sure if the bugs are out
of the direct claim from SeeYou method yet. But you must open the *.cai
file with SeeYou, not an *.igc file generated by AeroExplorer or the
Cambridge DOS program. The details for doing this manually without
SeeYou are found in item 10 on the Help page (Help button is at bottom
right of OLC page).

This is the same process for OLC 2.0 as last year.

On Mar 23, 7:14 am, ZL > wrote:
> wrote:
> > I tried to make my first OLC claim on Sunday and Monday for my 3/17/07
> > flight and I must say it's been a hassle. My claim was declared
> > "validation not successful". I used a GPS-NAV 20. On Sunday, I
> > converted the .cai file to .igc using AeroExplorer. I then prepared
> > the claim in SeeYou. I went to the OLC site and tried to upload by
> > "Prepared Claim". File was not uploaded. I then tried to upload the
> > claim through SeeYou. No upload. On Monday, I tried the OLC site
> > "Direct Claim" method and the .igc file uploaded ok but it was
> > invalid. I then converted the .cai file to .igc using the Cambridge
> > DOS program. Deleted the previously uploaded file and uploaded the
> > new .igc file again using "Direct Claim". Still invalid. The .cai file
> > passed vali-cam.exe with no problem. I emailed support by replying to
> > the email I received from the OLC Result Notifier but have not yet
> > heard anything.
> > Steve
>
> The OLC requires some special handling for logs from legacy Cambridge
> flight recorders (Model 10, 20, and 25). SeeYou (v3.6 or higher) does
> that quite easily if you open the *.cai file directly. It will generate
> the *.igc file with the *.cai file encoded and appended onto the end.
> The prepared claim should definitely work, not sure if the bugs are out
> of the direct claim from SeeYou method yet. But you must open the *.cai
> file with SeeYou, not an *.igc file generated by AeroExplorer or the
> Cambridge DOS program. The details for doing this manually without
> SeeYou are found in item 10 on the Help page (Help button is at bottom
> right of OLC page).
>
> This is the same process for OLC 2.0 as last year.

Thanks for the info ZL. I didn't try opening the .cai file with SeeYou
but I did try the "prepared claim" on the OLC page with a file
prepared by SeeYou and the file didn't even start to upload. I also
noticed that there is a bit of a contradiction on the OLC page. If you
click on Claim Flight, it states under Direct Claim that this is the
most simple and safest way of flight claiming. If you click on
Information, it states that Method 2 the prepared claim is the safest
method.

I'll try what you suggested with SeeYou on my next flight.
Steve

On Mar 20, 5:53 am, "Doug Haluza" > wrote:
>
> You should always use the latest version of your software. As problems
> are discovered, the vendors make updates, and there is no sense having
> problems that are already solved. SeeYou is also testing a beta
> version to deal with a strange data transmission issue with the new
> OLC interface where "+" signs get corrupted in transmission, causing
> validation to fail. This affects C302+ users, but could also randomly
> affect anyone if there is a "+" sign in the digital signature.

SeeYou just released version 3.65 today, presumably with the fix for
the C302 OLC upload from the beta version. Be sure to download it if
you are a SeeYou user with current upgrade support. The web site shows
this as V3.62 on the download page, but will show v3.65 when you
install it.

Doug Haluza
SSA-OLC Admin

Doug Haluza wrote:
> On Mar 20, 5:53 am, "Doug Haluza" > wrote:
>> You should always use the latest version of your software. As problems
>> are discovered, the vendors make updates, and there is no sense having
>> problems that are already solved. SeeYou is also testing a beta
>> version to deal with a strange data transmission issue with the new
>> OLC interface where "+" signs get corrupted in transmission, causing
>> validation to fail. This affects C302+ users, but could also randomly
>> affect anyone if there is a "+" sign in the digital signature.
>
> SeeYou just released version 3.65 today, presumably with the fix for
> the C302 OLC upload from the beta version. Be sure to download it if
> you are a SeeYou user with current upgrade support. The web site shows
> this as V3.62 on the download page, but will show v3.65 when you
> install it.
>
> Doug Haluza
> SSA-OLC Admin
>
>
>

SeeYou still appears to be doing the OLC optimization different from the
OLC software. For purposes of the 1000 meter rule between the start and
end of the flight, OLC appears to take the height between the start and
end of the scored flight, while SeeYou appears to take it between
release from tow and the end of scored flight. Most of the time, this
doesn't matter.

However, it does matter under the right conditions. I had a flight
about a month ago (February 16) where the OLC score (direct upload) was
more than 20 points less than the SeeYou optimization. And today, the
OLC score (direct upload) was slightly higher than the SeeYou optimization.

Neither software appears to be consistent with the OLC rules:

The minimal finish altitude is 1000 metre below the start altitude.
The start altitude the lowest altitude after the begin of free flight
and before reaching the start point.
The start time is the time at which the start altitude is reached.
The finish altitude is the highest altitude after reaching the finish
point and before end of free flight.
The finish time is the time at which the finish altitude is reached
after the finish point is reached.

Where the OLC and SeeYou programs differ, I believe the "more correct"
score will be whichever is the higher. But it appears that both
softwares can give a score that is lower than what the OLC rules require
-- this will happen if the 1000 meter rule affects the result, and if
there is a point after release from tow and prior to start that is lower
than both tow release and start height (or if there is a point after
finish that is above the finish height).

On Saturday, I flew for a little over 4 hours. A short time after
releasing the rope (maybe 10-15 minutes) I looked at my iPAQ


http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/flightinfo.html?flightId=-2034543116

On Mar 23, 7:01 pm, Greg Arnold > wrote:
> Doug Haluza wrote:
> > On Mar 20, 5:53 am, "Doug Haluza" > wrote:
> >> You should always use the latest version of your software. As problems
> >> are discovered, the vendors make updates, and there is no sense having
> >> problems that are already solved. SeeYou is also testing a beta
> >> version to deal with a strange data transmission issue with the new
> >> OLC interface where "+" signs get corrupted in transmission, causing
> >> validation to fail. This affects C302+ users, but could also randomly
> >> affect anyone if there is a "+" sign in the digital signature.
>
> > SeeYou just released version 3.65 today, presumably with the fix for
> > the C302 OLC upload from the beta version. Be sure to download it if
> > you are a SeeYou user with current upgrade support. The web site shows
> > this as V3.62 on the download page, but will show v3.65 when you
> > install it.
>
> > Doug Haluza
> > SSA-OLC Admin
>
> SeeYou still appears to be doing the OLC optimization different from the
> OLC software. For purposes of the 1000 meter rule between the start and
> end of the flight, OLC appears to take the height between the start and
> end of the scored flight, while SeeYou appears to take it between
> release from tow and the end of scored flight. Most of the time, this
> doesn't matter.
>
> However, it does matter under the right conditions. I had a flight
> about a month ago (February 16) where the OLC score (direct upload) was
> more than 20 points less than the SeeYou optimization. And today, the
> OLC score (direct upload) was slightly higher than the SeeYou optimization.
>
> Neither software appears to be consistent with the OLC rules:
>
> The minimal finish altitude is 1000 metre below the start altitude.
> The start altitude the lowest altitude after the begin of free flight
> and before reaching the start point.
> The start time is the time at which the start altitude is reached.
> The finish altitude is the highest altitude after reaching the finish
> point and before end of free flight.
> The finish time is the time at which the finish altitude is reached
> after the finish point is reached.
>
> Where the OLC and SeeYou programs differ, I believe the "more correct"
> score will be whichever is the higher. But it appears that both
> softwares can give a score that is lower than what the OLC rules require
> -- this will happen if the 1000 meter rule affects the result, and if
> there is a point after release from tow and prior to start that is lower
> than both tow release and start height (or if there is a point after
> finish that is above the finish height).- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


Below is a link to my flight on Saturday. I flew for over 4 hours,
but my OLC scorable time was around 14 minutes. I'm pretty sure I
know what caused it (me messing with the iPAQ) to cut off, but I don't
have any software to analyze what it did to the .igc file in the
Cambridge 302A datalogger. The entire 4 hour flight is shown, just
not scored. My flight on Sunday had no issues, so I know it's not an
OLC issue, it's an operator/user interface problem.
Also, where can I find a "legend" for the graph that appears below
the flight trace? I see some bits of yellow here and there.

http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/flightinfo.html?flightId=-2034543116

Thanks for any help!

>
>
> Below is a link to my flight on Saturday. I flew for over 4 hours,
> but my OLC scorable time was around 14 minutes. I'm pretty sure I
> know what caused it (me messing with the iPAQ) to cut off, but I don't
> have any software to analyze what it did to the .igc file in the
> Cambridge 302A datalogger. The entire 4 hour flight is shown, just
> not scored. My flight on Sunday had no issues, so I know it's not an
> OLC issue, it's an operator/user interface problem.
> Also, where can I find a "legend" for the graph that appears below
> the flight trace? I see some bits of yellow here and there.
>
> http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/flightinfo.html?flightId=-2034543116
>
> Thanks for any help!
>

You did the direct upload to OLC? The OLC software guessed wrong about
the end of your flight. You need to click Edit Flight, then change the
ending time on the screen that comes up.

>
>
> Below is a link to my flight on Saturday. I flew for over 4 hours,
> but my OLC scorable time was around 14 minutes. I'm pretty sure I
> know what caused it (me messing with the iPAQ) to cut off, but I don't
> have any software to analyze what it did to the .igc file in the
> Cambridge 302A datalogger. The entire 4 hour flight is shown, just
> not scored. My flight on Sunday had no issues, so I know it's not an
> OLC issue, it's an operator/user interface problem.
> Also, where can I find a "legend" for the graph that appears below
> the flight trace? I see some bits of yellow here and there.
>
> http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/flightinfo.html?flightId=-2034543116
>
> Thanks for any help!
>

The green is the terrain, and the yellow is the noise recorded by the
ENL sensor.

On Mar 26, 9:52 am, Greg Arnold > wrote:
> > Below is a link to my flight on Saturday. I flew for over 4 hours,
> > but my OLC scorable time was around 14 minutes. I'm pretty sure I
> > know what caused it (me messing with the iPAQ) to cut off, but I don't
> > have any software to analyze what it did to the .igc file in the
> > Cambridge 302A datalogger. The entire 4 hour flight is shown, just
> > not scored. My flight on Sunday had no issues, so I know it's not an
> > OLC issue, it's an operator/user interface problem.
> > Also, where can I find a "legend" for the graph that appears below
> > the flight trace? I see some bits of yellow here and there.
>
> >http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/flightinfo.html?flightId...
>
> > Thanks for any help!
>
> You did the direct upload to OLC? The OLC software guessed wrong about
> the end of your flight. You need to click Edit Flight, then change the
> ending time on the screen that comes up.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

That was it!! I knew it cut my flight off, I DIDN'T know I could
change it so easily! Thanks.
Also, thanks for the info about the yellow on the graph.

Tom,

IMHO, I think there are many misconceptions about how the OLC is
funded. If they get the same amount of stipend per year from all the
advertizers on their site as they get from one software developer that
I know of. 1600 Euro per/year!

Then 30400 Euro = $40597 per should be more than enought to support
their labor and a hosting site. I really doubt that hosting is that
expensive.

It is my opinion that the developer should get busy and provide the
proper testing so the system works.

Richard
www.craggyaero.com



>
> Anyhow, IMO, the new OLC is looking better and better each week I
> check. Remember, this is free software, so we get what we pay for it
> (yes, I know there are NACs and advertisers, but these cover hosting
> costs, not labor). The developers can't afford to do big time
> testing, so we get to "help" by documenting problems and sharing
> workarounds until they're fixed.
>
>
> -Tom

There is even more income for the Segelflugszene Ltd. which is operating
the OLC:

The German Aero Club has to pay a fee per competitor which is of the
order of 2.50 Euro per competitor, and there are roughly 5000
competitors for which the German Aero Club has to pay.

Richard schrieb:
> Tom,
>
> IMHO, I think there are many misconceptions about how the OLC is
> funded. If they get the same amount of stipend per year from all the
> advertizers on their site as they get from one software developer that
> I know of. 1600 Euro per/year!
>
> Then 30400 Euro = $40597 per should be more than enought to support
> their labor and a hosting site. I really doubt that hosting is that
> expensive.
>
> It is my opinion that the developer should get busy and provide the
> proper testing so the system works.
>
> Richard
> www.craggyaero.com
>
>
>
>> Anyhow, IMO, the new OLC is looking better and better each week I
>> check. Remember, this is free software, so we get what we pay for it
>> (yes, I know there are NACs and advertisers, but these cover hosting
>> costs, not labor). The developers can't afford to do big time
>> testing, so we get to "help" by documenting problems and sharing
>> workarounds until they're fixed.
>>
>>
>> -Tom
>
>

One thing I miss in the new OLC is the map details. The only waypoint
now is the takeoff airport. What happened to all the waypoints? It is
very hard to figure where and how far one flew from looking at the
map. Any chance we can have the waypoints back?

Ramy

On Apr 1, 1:48?am, "Ramy" > wrote:
> One thing I miss in the new OLC is the map details. The only waypoint
> now is the takeoff airport. What happened to all the waypoints? It is
> very hard to figure where and how far one flew from looking at the
> map. Any chance we can have the waypoints back?
>
> Ramy

Waypoints???? Hell, I'd be happy if they'd just figure out how to get
my WinPilot flights posted! It's only been since February. In the
last week my flights have gone from a yellow V to a red V for no
apparent reason....
Bill

Airjunkie wrote:
> On Apr 1, 1:48?am, "Ramy" > wrote:
>> One thing I miss in the new OLC is the map details. The only waypoint
>> now is the takeoff airport. What happened to all the waypoints? It is
>> very hard to figure where and how far one flew from looking at the
>> map. Any chance we can have the waypoints back?
>>
>> Ramy
>
> Waypoints???? Hell, I'd be happy if they'd just figure out how to get
> my WinPilot flights posted! It's only been since February. In the
> last week my flights have gone from a yellow V to a red V for no
> apparent reason....
> Bill
>

I have looked at some of your files, and I wonder if they contain the
necessary G-Record. The last line starts with G, but the 4 or 5 letters
following that don't look like the G-Record in the files that are
passing OLC validation.

The last line of your Friday flight is:

GAEJDKA

The last two lines of my Friday flight are:

G83A335269842658713BB88333028ECDA099267FE00000000E AC4BBF2119AC941
G8B9D85D0FE66C18108BF5288803F54F26B78C0E1000000000 0000000F5AEE08E

And here is a G-Record from a SeeYou file that passed validation:

GB71086EF29C0B074CE49F9FEFD9FD239

Make sure Menu/Logger/Security is checked in winpilot.

Ramy

On Apr 1, 9:38 am, Greg Arnold > wrote:
> Airjunkie wrote:
> > On Apr 1, 1:48?am, "Ramy" > wrote:
> >> One thing I miss in the new OLC is the map details. The only waypoint
> >> now is the takeoff airport. What happened to all the waypoints? It is
> >> very hard to figure where and how far one flew from looking at the
> >> map. Any chance we can have the waypoints back?
>
> >> Ramy
>
> > Waypoints???? Hell, I'd be happy if they'd just figure out how to get
> > my WinPilot flights posted! It's only been since February. In the
> > last week my flights have gone from a yellow V to a red V for no
> > apparent reason....
> > Bill
>
> I have looked at some of your files, and I wonder if they contain the
> necessary G-Record. The last line starts with G, but the 4 or 5 letters
> following that don't look like the G-Record in the files that are
> passing OLC validation.
>
> The last line of your Friday flight is:
>
> GAEJDKA
>
> The last two lines of my Friday flight are:
>
> G83A335269842658713BB88333028ECDA099267FE00000000E AC4BBF2119AC941
> G8B9D85D0FE66C18108BF5288803F54F26B78C0E1000000000 0000000F5AEE08E
>
> And here is a G-Record from a SeeYou file that passed validation:
>
> GB71086EF29C0B074CE49F9FEFD9FD239

Ramy wrote:
> Make sure Menu/Logger/Security is checked in winpilot.
>
> Ramy
>
> On Apr 1, 9:38 am, Greg Arnold > wrote:
>> Airjunkie wrote:
>>> On Apr 1, 1:48?am, "Ramy" > wrote:
>>>> One thing I miss in the new OLC is the map details. The only waypoint
>>>> now is the takeoff airport. What happened to all the waypoints? It is
>>>> very hard to figure where and how far one flew from looking at the
>>>> map. Any chance we can have the waypoints back?
>>>> Ramy
>>> Waypoints???? Hell, I'd be happy if they'd just figure out how to get
>>> my WinPilot flights posted! It's only been since February. In the
>>> last week my flights have gone from a yellow V to a red V for no
>>> apparent reason....
>>> Bill
>> I have looked at some of your files, and I wonder if they contain the
>> necessary G-Record. The last line starts with G, but the 4 or 5 letters
>> following that don't look like the G-Record in the files that are
>> passing OLC validation.
>>
>> The last line of your Friday flight is:
>>
>> GAEJDKA
>>
>> The last two lines of my Friday flight are:
>>
>> G83A335269842658713BB88333028ECDA099267FE00000000E AC4BBF2119AC941
>> G8B9D85D0FE66C18108BF5288803F54F26B78C0E1000000000 0000000F5AEE08E
>>
>> And here is a G-Record from a SeeYou file that passed validation:
>>
>> GB71086EF29C0B074CE49F9FEFD9FD239
>

Looking a little more at Bill's fights, I see that he has posted 4, and
3 of them passed security. Only the latest failed. All of his flights
have a 6 letter G-Record. So apparently you can have a valid G-Record
that is only 6 letters. Maybe the latest flight would pass if
validation was rerun.

On Apr 1, 10:29�am, Greg Arnold > wrote:
> Ramy wrote:
> > Make sure Menu/Logger/Security is checked in winpilot.
>
> > Ramy
>
> > On Apr 1, 9:38 am, Greg Arnold > wrote:
> >> Airjunkie wrote:
> >>> On Apr 1, 1:48?am, "Ramy" > wrote:
> >>>> One thing I miss in the new OLC is the map details. The only waypoint
> >>>> now is the takeoff airport. What happened to all the waypoints? It is
> >>>> very hard to figure where and how far one flew from looking at the
> >>>> map. Any chance we can have the waypoints back?
> >>>> Ramy
> >>> Waypoints???? Hell, I'd be happy if they'd just figure out how to get
> >>> my WinPilot flights posted! *It's only been since February. *In the
> >>> last week my flights have gone from a yellow V to a red V for no
> >>> apparent reason....
> >>> Bill
> >> I have looked at some of your files, and I wonder if they contain the
> >> necessary G-Record. *The last line starts with G, but the 4 or 5 letters
> >> following that don't look like the G-Record in the files that are
> >> passing OLC validation.
>
> >> The last line of your Friday flight is:
>
> >> GAEJDKA
>
> >> The last two lines of my Friday flight are:
>
> >> G83A335269842658713BB88333028ECDA099267FE00000000E AC4BBF2119AC941
> >> G8B9D85D0FE66C18108BF5288803F54F26B78C0E1000000000 0000000F5AEE08E
>
> >> And here is a G-Record from a SeeYou file that passed validation:
>
> >> GB71086EF29C0B074CE49F9FEFD9FD239
>
> Looking a little more at Bill's fights, I see that he has posted 4, and
> 3 of them passed security. *Only the latest failed. *All of his flights
> have a 6 letter G-Record. *So apparently you can have a valid G-Record
> that is only 6 letters. *Maybe the latest flight would pass if
> validation was rerun.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I've actually posted 5 flights, and the one from 3/25 dissapeared from
their webpage today- that flight had been listed as a zero. The next
flight that hasn't been sorted out is for 3/30, and that one has a red
V. The security box is checked. I did nothing different between
flights, didn't change how I downloaded/uploaded them or anything.
OLC has hinted there is a problem with scoring WinPilot flights but
not much feedback from them on this whole problem. Thanks for looking
at the files, Greg. That is all beyond me....
Bill